The Crump Saga Goes to the Fifth District Court of Appeal

“A civil lawyer with a vested interest in the outcome of the case should not be allowed to keep evidence from law enforcement; potentially influence significant witnesses; speak on national television about evidence he claims to exist and witnesses he has spoken with; accuse several law enforcement agencies of dishonesty; otherwise play a central role in the media persecution; and then gather evidence to further the prosecution of the Petitioner and, as a result, significantly threaten Mr. Zimmerman’s chance of having a fair trial, yet claim he is not subject to a deposition regarding non-privileged matters.” -p40 Petition

petition – Copy

Standards for Lawyer Sanctions: http://www.floridabar.org/tfb/TFBLawReg.nsf/9dad7bbda218afe885257002004833c5/ca758a1382421b60852574ba00649949?OpenDocument

appendix – Copy

Docket:
http://199.242.69.70/pls/ds/ds_docket?p_caseyear=2013&p_casenumber=1233&psCourt=5&psSearchType=

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bernie 8 - Copy

Also, Bernie says he doesn’t have to pay or be sanctioned for being an ass.

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/index.php/court-documents/137-state-s-response-to-motion-for-sanctions-re-miami-video-depositions

state_response_sanctions – Copy

Bernie says in there that 54 people were deposed before they got to DeeDee which means there are notices of depositions we have not seen. I have 43 on my list, you can do the math I’m sure, well maybe not all of you.

https://diwataman.wordpress.com/2013/01/24/deposition-list/

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97 thoughts on “The Crump Saga Goes to the Fifth District Court of Appeal

    • WITNESS 8: Alright. MR. CRUMP: Ok, a one, two, three… WITNESS 8: Trayvon run for it.

      Yes that is in there. I was trying to remember what the ole Crump 1,2,3, reminded me of. It finally came. Lawrence Welk!!!

    • NatJack says Ben’s not scared of a thing. I asked her that in a tweet, “What is Crump, you, and others afraid of?” She assured me that everything was fine… and then BLOCKED me. NatJack is sweetness and light… this is true.

    • Yes he’s scared!

      W8 told O’Mara that the first person to interact with her was Mr. Crump not Tracy Martin…Page 34 of the writ – “Mr. Crump was the first one to interact with a very significant witness in this case …”

      Crump’s interaction with W8 has led to more questions, ramping up the need to depose the investigator/lawyer/civil rights guy. “Counsel for Petitioner took a partial deposition of Witness 8 on March 13, 2013 which only led to more questions and confusion as to her interaction with Mr.
      Crump.” – Page 30 of the Writ

      It wasn’t Tracy or Sybrina that first told Crump about W8’s trip the hospital as we all thought. No sir, the first person W8 told that lie to was Mr. Crump! “The information leading up to Witness 8 lying about her hospital visit (and, by extension her closeness with Mr. Martin) are directly relevant to this case. Mr. Crump is the first person that Petitioner knows for sure was told this information.” – Page 33 of the Writ.

      After going to the press with W8, the civil rights lawyer had the audacity to hide her name from the Sanford Police, Wolfinger, and FDLE. “Only Mr. Crump knows why information on Witness 8 was not given to the Sanford Police Department, FDLE, or the 18th Judicial Circuit State Attorney’s Office, even though multiple requests were made.” Page 35 of the Writ

      The defense knows that Crump misstated the circumstances surrounding W8’s March 19th Interview: “Mr. Crump sequestered Witness 8, coordinated her first interview (App. H: Clip 1 ), misstated the circumstances regarding the taking of the statement, and shared select portions of the interview with the press while simultaneously refusing to reveal the witness’ identity or testimony to law enforcement…” Page 40 of the Writ.

      Mr. Crump has lots of reasons to be scared. It appears he told too many lies.

        • I will have to look it up. They might have several ways to go. Or can just not take it at all. Anyway the whole ball game is sitting on their desk. I am just learning about all this stuff. If they rule for the defense they will quash the two orders and Crump is then fair game. They can rule partially on certain parts either way. Then I think either side can go the the FSC. But am not sure about that in this situation. It is just good that the defense filed it I think. I also wonder if they hit the jackpot in the Martin depo’s?

          • Do we know for sure if the defense in fact did the Sybrina, Tracy and Ronquavis depos? From the Writ language, they only did the partial depo. of DD. Did the judge ever rule on allowing or not the depos. to be videotaped?

  1. Another highlight from the Writ (h/t John_Galt @RT):

    “Bombshell @ page 21 of the DCA petition to depose Crump:

    “Out of the 25-minute clear recording ABC News took of the interview, ABC has
    only preserved the 5-minute clip referenced supra.””

    • Here is the truth of this matter.

      “the trial court set upon a dangerous course that goes well beyond simply protecting a lawyer from unwarranted disclosure; it allows an attorney unfettered discretion to significantly affect a pending criminal proceeding with no obligation to explain the basis for that influence.”

      This is the engineer of the Orange Blossom Special. Mr. Crump. He must be deposed. I pray that the 5th DCA does the right thing.

  2. “A civil lawyer with a vested interest in the outcome of the case should not be
    allowed to keep evidence from law enforcement; potentially influence significant
    witnesses; speak on national television about evidence he claims to exist and
    witnesses he has spoken with; accuse several law enforcement agencies of
    dishonesty; otherwise play a central role in the media persecution; and then gather
    evidence to further the prosecution of the Petitioner and, as a result, significantly
    threaten Mr. Zimmerman’s chance of having a fair trial, yet claim he is not subject
    to a deposition regarding non-privileged matters.”

    Yes! This!

  3. β€œA civil lawyer with a vested interest in the outcome of the case should not be
    allowed to keep evidence from law enforcement; potentially influence significant
    witnesses; speak on national television about evidence he claims to exist and
    witnesses he has spoken with; accuse several law enforcement agencies of
    dishonesty; otherwise play a central role in the media persecution; and then gather
    evidence to further the prosecution of the Petitioner and, as a result, significantly
    threaten Mr. Zimmerman’s chance of having a fair trial, yet claim he is not subject
    to a deposition regarding non-privileged matters.”

    “Yes! This!”

    Yes, exactly! It never seemed right to me that a civil lawyer could locate evidence for use in a criminal case and then be excluded from giving statements on how he got that evidence. Just time to man up and go under oath. If the “evidence” that Crump obtaine, is legit and helps in getting Justice for Trayvon, “what de problem is? LOL

  4. And also this!

    “Mr. Crump led the effort to pressure the State of Florida to charge Mr.
    Zimmerman with the murder of Trayvon Martin. To fuel his effort, Mr. Crump
    solicited the help of a public relations firm. With the firm’s help,
    Mr. Crump made several high-profile television appearances where he made
    accusations about law enforcement corruption, speculated about the evidence in
    this case, and accused Mr. Zimmerman of an egregious act by stating repeatedly that George Zimmerman “profil[ed], pursu[ed], and confront[ed] Trayvon Martin
    and then kill[ed] Trayvon Martin in cold blood.” More significantly, Mr. Crump sequestered Witness 8, coordinated her first interview, misstated the circumstances regarding the taking of the statement, and shared select portions of the interview with the press while simultaneously refusing to reveal the witness’ identity or testimony to law enforcement or provide any other information to the agencies responsible for the investigation.”

    πŸ˜€

      • dman I hate this particular theme. There are better ones available. πŸ™‚ Like you I have been fiddling with the themes. Try something like Twenty Ten. Pilcrow is horrible. So are some of the newer themes. What I do like is the way you are setting up the replies.

        • The comment section on most themes freely available are horrible and many of the others that don’t turn comments into one letter at a time aren’t so good on the front page.

          • Yes, I know. However, on some of them you can fiddle with the comment section. I like the way you have it now, but I know that some people hate that style πŸ™‚

            BTW… on another note… my older sister was viciously attacked in Melbourne. She has a lot of bruising on her face and she is so lucky that she did not have other head injuries. The attacker was armed with his fists when he aimed at a woman because he let his dog race over the property where she is a manager!!

            • I didn’t do anything to the comment section, it came with the theme. I have to free version of WordPress and can’t do any CSS or HTML. I like the way this comment section is structured as well, probably as good can be for a blog I guess, it’s why I chose it and it somewhat satisfied what I want on the front page. I think I’ve gone through every single free layout they have available, I think I’m done looking.

              • It is the same with me. I can alter the comment field. It is not done within the theme.

                I am still looking at the themes because something was altered on my previous choice. I am using one I like and found I could change the color theme πŸ™‚

                • There’s very little that can be done on the free version of WP as far as the comment section goes:

                  1) Enable threaded (nested) comments “_” levels deep

                  2) Break comments into “_” pages with top level comments per page and the “_” page displayed by default

                  3) Comments should be displayed with the “_” comments at the top of each page

                  The theme you have is fine for just straight writing like that but once you start throwing in all kinds of stuff like videos, photos, screenshots of motions, etc that tight column down the middle like that presents problems. That tight column down the middle also makes the comment section either only have three comments at a time or if it goes to ten a comment becomes one letter at a time going done the page for miles. In order to do the CSS stuff I think it costs a hundred bucks a year and I’m not sure I want to pay to blog.

                  • I agree, you are more limited because you add the videos etc. I do not use them as much. I agree about not paying to use something I do not understand i.e. CSS.

                    I agree I am not willing to pay big money to blog πŸ™‚

                    I tried out several new themes today. I think I found one that does what I want including with comments.

                    I like the way your new theme handles the comments. I just wonder what else you can tinker with such as adding a background. Some themes allow you to add your own background… at least for now

                    • CSS is just manipulating how it’s all structured I think, it would be quite the learning curve for me as well which also makes me hesitant to try it. It’s amazing how many little things that come up when choosing themes. If I put a video in the blog or comment section, some themes show it really big, too big actually so that bothers me and so I look for another one. Then another doesn’t re-size with the window. I really hate the ones like I have that show all the tags under each post, that just clutters up the front page and with it all in hyperlinks just makes it all the more distracting. I tried one earlier where when you went to comment to someone instead of dropping down the comment box below the comment you’re replying to it went to the bottom, good grief what good is that, I often look back as I’m writing to the the comment I’m replying to and doing it that way just screws that up. It’s a hundred things like that, trying to balance it all with what is freely available is a nightmare. Aesthetics is the last thing I’m interested in though I hate the black backgrounds, the text burns into my eyes with those.

                    • I hate the black backgrounds as well. There are a lot of themes that simply do not work very well, especially when you have a lot of people making comments.

    • So Trayvon was “pure as the falling snow”. Perhaps he just wanted to play, “The knockout game” with George. Perhaps George should have let TM pound his head into a bloody pulp. Here is another perspective on this “culture” – for your enjoyment.

      So who was the “Real Travon”??

  5. I find it hard to believe that ABC would destroy evidence. Are we to believe that all copies are gone including Matt’s?

    • I can think of only one reason for ABC to destroy the tapes, Gutman was involved in the coaching, hiding DD, lack of proper procedures, lying and conspiring with Crump. It is interesting that the only segment that ABC did not destroy is the one segment that Crump, either didn’t not have or fail to turn in.

        • Matt Gutman is an employee of ABC as such he is their agent, if Gutman said he had it, it is as if ABC had it. There is no way that Matt Gutman, an assistant went to the interview and not tape the interview. Plus, MOM had already stated that at some point a 25 minute recording made by ABC was available. Now the question becomes when did ABC destroy its tape?

        • Jordan- The motion does in fact address ABC and Matt Gutman. In fact they go into some detail about ABC and Matt Guttman and his assistant.

            • I’m not going back to reload the filing, you can do that Jordan. There is a whole lot of reference in the document talking about how ABC reported the interview as an exclusive. Who was that reported it as an exclusive? I believe it includes reference about Matt Gutman of ABC news and his assistant being present in the interview. . Go back and check the document, and let me know if I am wrong.

  6. Mr. Crump was the first person to interact with W8. Please add: Tracy called the girl and learned she did talk to Trayvon before he died…. to the lying mountain of statements we have been getting in this case.

    • Matt Gutman publicly proclaimed to be the only person who has the DeeDee interview. No way that he would risk 5 years in prison for destroying it. Would his statement take ABC off the hook?

      • As was stated in the court filing, Crump invited ABC News/ Matt Gutman to be present during the interview as an “exclusive.” Matt Gutman works for ABC, and that is how he reports his news. ABC is responsible for everything Matt Gutman broadcasts, as he utilizes that network, and they are his employer. ABC is liable for whatever one of their employees brings as news, and the producer is responsible for what is reported. His reports were broadcast on ABC news. Gutman, and ABC news are tied together at the hip. When Gutman said he was the only one with the taped interview, along with his ABC assistant, he was not speaking independently, he was speaking on behalf of his employer. ABC is liable for whatever their employees report, and especially when it is broadcast on ABC news. NBC, which Beasley has sued for doctored tapes, is responsible for what it reported, and there are particular people named in that lawsuit. ABC will likely be sued by Beasley as well, with Gutman’s name included. Would Gutman risk a prison term for being a willing participant, absolutely. They think they have the protection of the president of the US, and the Atty. Gen. Wasn’t Trayvon the son that could have looked like Trayvon?

    • Private Investigator to Crump, Crump to W8 who refuses to cooperate. Crump uses Tracy and then Sybrina to apply more pressure to her to come forward? On the Witness List that was submitted in the first Doc Dump, W8’s initial interview date is not listed but show Private Attorney as the contact.

    • “Mr. Crump was the first person to interact with W8”

      Tracy talked to her and she also had a meeting with Sybrina. Odd that the defense would put this in a brief.

      • I think they learned from witness 8 that the first person to interact with her was Mr. Crump. Page 34 of the writ – β€œMr. Crump was the first one to interact with a very significant witness in this case …”

        It appears Mr. Crump put Tracy and Sybrina on her after initially contacting her himself!

        • Remember Nat Jac saying that DD was found by Crumps investigator through the phone records? That would mean that Nat Jac mistakenly told the truth, while Crump was telling his story about Tracy finding her phone number, calling her first, and then telling Crump about his explosive find. I’m sure it wouldn’t be to difficult to find out who the investigator was, and to question him about his role in finding DD.

          I would agree that Crump likely put Tracy and Sybrina on DD to instill guilt in her so she would cooperate with the Scheme. Remember the “I got guilt” statement DD made to BDLR in his interview? DD also seemed to imply that she lied about the hospital because Sybrina was hoovering over her. Remember Crump also saying that DD and/or her mother didn’t want DD talking to anyone but him and the FBI? From the writ, MOM/West claim that Crump had sequestered her and wouldn’t allow anyone to have access to her, including law enforcement.

          I don’t know how long the preliminary depo. was with the defense and DD, but it seems that DD spilled the whole can of worms in a short amount of time. I feel certain that there is even more that she told them that we don’t know about.

          • John Wright, is the private investigator hired by Mr. Crump and he was deposed by the defense on November 9th. http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/depositions/notice_of_deposition_on_11.09.12.pdf

            I agree with you on W8 talking. We know they waited 5 hours and then decided to get some information from her without video-taping. So they started sometime after 2pm and in that time she told them the first person to contact her was Mr. Crump. Also the writ advises that the first person W8 told of the hospital story was Crump. So was Sybrina there too? Perhaps that is the story W8 wanted Crump to relay to the mother of the kid who she didn’t attend the last services of? Of course, Mr. Crump may point out to us that W8 is known to lie.

            • It is coming down to that isn’t it? If Crump tries to accuse DD of lying all on her own, I would think there are ways to prove that she was asked to lie, and exactly what lies to tell. I wonder if DD told the defense that she was asked to write the “letter” and was told what to write.

        • Yep, that’s my take on it too. (Which I just posted in another comment before reading yours…. I am WAY behind, trying to catch up, obviously. πŸ˜‰ )

  7. Also don’t forget that Matt Gutman also said that he had spoken with DD in addtion to the interview. Didn’t he say something like he had talked with DD over a few days. I wish the motion also included Matt Gutam talking about talking to DD in addition to the interview. That was before any law enforcement agency had an access to DD.

  8. It appears that from this document that DD was only deposed in the partial depo. on March 13, but likely was not deposed after that.

      • Nettles18 – do you think it’s possibly because MOM/West want to depose Crump first if they are granted that in their appeal, then come back to DD to compare her statements to Crump?

          • And if they win this appeal, that pretty much puts Nelson on a leash. Whatever garbage she has been up to till now will suddenly cease. So this appeal is a lot bigger than just getting to depose Crump.

              • This is just my assumption based on what I’ve seen from appeals courts (in Florida and elsewhere). They usually seem to enjoy slapping down lower courts that make fools of themselves; they seem to like “throwing their weight around” from time to time. And if there was ever a case of a judge and prosecutors who are thoroughly embarrassing the court system, it’s this one. So I’d be pretty surprised if the DCA wasn’t already keeping a very close eye on this case. I imagine they KNEW something would be coming their way before long, and so probably already have a pretty good idea of how they’re gonna deal with this. So yeah, unless they’re also being controlled by whoever is controlling Nelson, I’m sure they’ll take action.

                • I hope so but SD only gives it a 50/50 chance of being heard and if it is, then he says 50/50 they will side with the defense.

                • This is a writ. A rare writ pre-trial. It asks for higher court intervention. In effect it accuses the trial court of miscarriage of justice. One TCJ has already been tossed for bias. Normally it would never be accepted. A DCA will only intervene in extreme cases. For the defense to file it means there is even more going on behind the curtain than we can see. To reverse a TCJ order pre-trial is the rarest of rare rulings I think. It is based on the old common law from what I can find out. If the DCA accepts the writ and remands the TCJ this case might finally be over I think.

            • I agree. I am also hearing from some lawyers that this writ should succeed IF the law is applied. Wouldn’t that be a novel idea in this farce of a case?

  9. Holy POOP! I bet BDLR has blown a gasket over this, Crump may be drinking w/BDLR tonight & I bet BDLR is reminding Crump he shouldn’t have INTERJECTED himself into this case. I am so HAPPY Crump is AGAIN exposed for being corrupt, I too hope this embarrasses the chit out of Judge Nelson, MOM did an outstanding job of laying out his writ for consideration, I pray this is granted, GZ is entitled Crump’s information to insure a fair trial.

    I assume Crump/Blackwell may respond to this writ in protest, I hope this is costing the chit out of Crump, Mom’s writ was 40 pages and there is no telling how long it took to prepare, if Blackwell does respond, it’s going to cost Crump a fortune. Blackwell’s response imo to Judge Nelson to prevent the Defense from taking Crump’s depo on their second request was weak and had little merit, this may be more than Blackwell signed on for, too, there is NO DENYING Crump’s actions, LOL, it’s in the Media.

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