Yes, we’ll talk about Sundance but let’s start with this because there’s a concept a whole bunch of you need to grasp
When I started vlogging, that’s with a “v” for video, I learned the hard way what the essence of “blogging”, or in my case at the time “vlogging”, was all about. One could say it’s part of the Ethics 101 of blogging.
Essentially, you, who wish to express YOUR thoughts on something, find a space be it YouTube, WordPress, whatever, then you post your thoughts. But before I go on allow me to go back a bit on some history.
Now some time in the history of the internet someone decided to create something called a “comment section” and since then people have come to expect, almost like it’s a right they have, such “comment sections” under everything such as blogs, news article, etc. Also as time went on the nature of these comment sections created many problems for the host; spamming, trolling, etc. but that is not necessarily the problem so to speak.
One must consider that every time one comments on someone’s blog that it’s like you banging on the front door of their house. The nature of blogging though is that it’s often public so my analogy is a bit flawed in that regard so perhaps one can say it’s only similar to it. The main point being though is that every time you comment you are drawing the attention of the host. So let us use the most recent personal example I’ve experienced in crude terms. Someone knocks on my door, I open it and they tell me Joe Schmo is an asshole and walks away. Then someone else knocks on my door and does the same. This continues all day for days from many people. How long would you deal with that? What would you do? Move out? Or get a private property sign and a shotgun. Probably somewhere in between but you would find a way to stop it.
Blogging sites offer similar solutions. I can put my blog on private for only selected individuals to see, like a private property sign, or I can simply not offer a comment section or block people like a shotgun. But doing either has its drawbacks. First thing that tends to happen when one does not offer a comment section is the host is considered evil for denying people the “right” to comment and often accused hiding something, lolz. But often, people when they are hosts, like myself on my blog here, desire to have discussion on what is being blogged about. So the host finds themselves in a predicament, open the comment section to satisfy the desire to discuss while at the same time having to deal with all the crap that comes with doing so.
The popular solution has become to allow comments and simply block people when desired. However this “middle ground” is not really a good solution. The main problem being that it creates an “echo chamber”, that is essentially everyone commenting to the same effect which in itself creates problems.
Another problem is the type of comment, which took all of two minutes for someone to spew, requires hours of breaking down and research to properly answer and if this is not done then supposedly it’s the fault of the host.
There are many other issues but that should suffice. And don’t get me wrong, I have learned all of this through my own personal error.
The only way to truly rectify all of the problems is simply to not have comment sections at all. However it is in the human spirit to discuss and argue and as such what many of us desire. Throughout the ages and thousands of years before the internet there have been many forms to satisfy this desire; the forum, the debate, the formal debate, outright argument etc. Many of those have their own pros and cons as well much like with today’s modern internet forums, blogs, etc. and I enjoy partaking or witnessing all of them. But through it all, past and present, there has been one form that is the best, the formal response.
The formal response is simply you writing your thoughts on your space, whatever form that may be and me writing mine on my space whatever form that may be and people read each, they in turn can write their own responses on whatever space and forms they may be and on and on it goes. We have a rich history of such things with folks in all areas of life writing papers, articles, books etc. discussing each others arguments and making their own. This is truly the best solution for all and in today’s time on the internet also very inexpensive and easy to do.
An example of the Formal Response we even saw in the George Zimmerman case from O’Mara to Jonathan Capehart titled “A Response to Jonathan Capehart’s Editorials In Regards to the Zimmerman Case”
Did O’Mara go over to Capehart’s article a bitch all day? Did he run off to the treehouse and complain? No, he gave the formal, traditional response much in the spirit that has been done for hundreds, even thousands of years. If you notice, the tone in O’Mara’s writing is not exactly pleasant. As a matter of fact that is essentially the way it has been going back to Aristotle and probably before and often the tone is much worse. But keep in mind that it is nearly almost always most substance over ad hominem.
Also in the end society is just going to have to get used to the idea the right they thought they had to post what they want everywhere they want never existed in the first place.
That being said let’s move on to the recent personal example but before we do a bit of history about this blog in particular and myself.
I started this blog in July of 2012. The initial reason why I opened a WordPress account was that it was necessary to do so in order to comment on a WordPress blog, in my case theconservativetreehouse.com. There were other options to sign in with but I chose WordPress because I also wanted to use it as a space to post my thoughts on the George Zimmerman case and its surrounding aspects. My “About” page at the time simply read:
For now I will be using this blog to place reference material and to express my thoughts on the George Zimmerman case. As time goes on I may add various other postings but to what extent I’m not sure. We will see how it goes.
And that’s just what I did and as time went on the reference material I mentioned grew into this:
And I have discussed not only the facts of the case itself but its surrounding aspects. As a matter of fact it’s those surrounding aspects that grabbed my initial interest in the case. The case itself is not so interesting, it’s not like a Sherlock Holmes mystery or something. Here is what I wrote on August 3, 2012 titled “It Was Never About George or His Case Anyway”
This is just a short message for those who are interested in my interest in the Zimmerman/Martin case.
Quite simply it was not and has never really been about George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, what occurred on Feb 26th or his case. The only reason I have to know everything there is to know about the case itself is to have the power to fight fiction with fact. Regardless, it’s about the next “George Zimmerman” and how the Chief of Police, State Attorney, Mayor, Governor, General Attorney, and the citizens will react in that future case. But just as importantly how they all act, or don’t act, in a case like Daniel Adkins.
This case, and what caught my attention from the beginning, was just what the Scheme Team; Ryan Julison, Benjamin Crump, Natalie Jackson, Daryl Parks, Jasmine Rand, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton sold it as being wrapped up in and what the media helped facilitate; RACE. They sold it, I’m reacting to it.
As I said this is just a short message. Later I will expound on this matter.
And I meant it. This for me is not about George. How could it be, I don’t even know the man and injustice happens everyday to a lot of people, why focus on one man. My interest is in society itself and what it does with all of this. When I posted my list of “What Should Be” https://diwataman.wordpress.com/2013/04/02/what-should-be/ I also was serious. That is what ought to be, that is what should be done to clean up this mess but that isn’t going to happen without a lot of work. But more importantly I want to prevent it from happening. I want to express it, discuss it, understand it, argue it, inform on it etc. perhaps one day to organize on it and THAT is this blog, any other characterization to the contrary is either misunderstood or nefarious.
If your only interest is the strict legal aspects or the simple facts of the case this blog is really no place for you. What I’m trying to do transcends this case and deals with race and people involved in a manner that many might find to their disliking. If that’s you I suggest you go elsewhere.
Now let us move on to Sundance and what has been going on and again a little history first.
Before I found the treehouse I was vlogging about this case and in April discovered a site in which the first thing I said was “Doing some great work here.” and I jumped right in. That “great work” as I put it was in the fact that they, Sundance and the commentators, were doing exactly what needed to be done which was to figure out the truth of what was actually going on because practically everywhere else consisted of bullshit or tamed commentary of simple facts of the case.
It was that spirit that drew me to, in later months, as I drew weary of YouTube, to comment and contribute more heavily at the treehouse. Did Sundance and people commenting always get it right? Hell no but at least they were trying and at least they were trying to deal with the surrounding aspects as well which again either most places avoid or were in the fashion of the Scheme Team and couched in traditional terms of black victim/white perpetrator.
People were pissed and still are because of various reasons. Because of the blatant lies by the Scheme team, media etc. Because the obvious at first glance of the actual story begins to show at least question of should there be charges against this man leading one further to realize the injustice of not only a murder charge but the outright assault on one unknown man from practically every media outlet in the country sustained everyday for months, every blog, vlog and comment, and from everyone from people in the SPD, every black organization you can think of and all the way to the President himself. My god man, I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy, there was no way he wasn’t going to be charged.
That is what many people wanted to know about and discuss and that is just what we get from the treehouse. Does Sundance himself get stuff wrong? Of course. Do I always agree with the nature in which he handles some things? Hell no. So let’s now move into the specifics.
For the first few months of my blog I had the comment section of each post turned off. Instead I offered a section where one could send a personal message or go to a single page to leave a comment. Then, I think is was in November, I began to offer the comment section on all my new posts, I recently also went back and opened comments on all my old posts. Things were moving along quite smoothly until the treehouse shut down their Daily Open Threads on the George Zimmerman case on March 14. They did this suddenly and without warning and needless to say shook a lot of people up who found those open threads enjoyable, informative and who commented nearly everyday on.
Along with the closing of the threads came the message from Sundance that “If you are looking for the George Zimmerman Open Discussion Thread:” with a link to my blog and that “Daily conversation is available” with again a link to my blog. Not only was that NOT true, there is not, never has been nor ever will be a daily GZ thread posted here but the characterization Sundance was making of my blog got worse in the comments section;
“Your entire blog is one big GZ discussion thread.”
“Diwataman’s entire blog is a George Zimmerman discussion. He does not need a “specifically labeled” daily GZ post because EVERY post is about GZ 100%. 24/7”
Even when he was offering words of kindness it comes off as insulting:
“Now, as the case progressed, there are multiple forums specifically focused on the Zimmerman trail and the evidence contained within it. Rumpole and D-Man are the two best examples. So with the specific specialty of the Zimmerman case in mind – it makes sense to direct attention to their wonderful sites.
No-One knows the details of the evidence like D-Man, he is also a man of integrity, humor and insightful intelligence. He’s actually the go-to person when I had questions.”
So not only are the characterizations of my blog insulting, it seems to me that somehow Sundance separates himself from what I have done and talked about, and apparently everyone else, and sets himself above the rest as if I, we, are merely interested in the details of the facts of the case whereas the larger “more important” or “complex” aspects are only for him to discern and disseminate. That is what bothered me the most.
But ask me what my reaction was? Nothing. I was pissed and emotional so I let it go. I could have immediately written a blog about it to the effect of what I written here and much more and believe me it would have been harsh. Did I run off to Joe Schmo’s blog and start griping about Sundance? No. Why? Is it because he’s my bestest buddie? I don’t even know the man. Is it because I’m scurred to call out the main man? Please, spare me. No, it’s because there’s no point and there’s better ways of handling it. It’s because we are, all of us, essentially on the same side. I’m not here to fight you or Sundance.
Now when Sundance gets something I feel is wrong on his blog you will find, if you even bother looking, people outright disagreeing with him. I have disagreed with him but I don’t always do it in the comment section because of the nature of some things rather I do it by email. When I disagree on the blog I do it right and that’s why I don’t get banned. Sometimes I just don’t say anything and let it go. You take it for what it’s worth and move on. Simple as that.
So since the GZ Daily Threads went down I have slowly and increasingly began to get comments about Sundance. How he’s a nut, a loon, a “conspiracy theorist(oh my no not that), asshole, idiot, etc. etc. Then I really got hit with it a couple of days ago when Sundance wrote his blog stating O’Mara was not only knowledgeable of the details of the settlement between the Retreat at Twin Lakes Homeowners Association and Crump et al. but also had a say in the matter and agreed/directed they should be paid off.
“Mark O’Mara was a legal resource party to the HOA and identified insurance carrier because of his insight into the case and potential liability/risk for the insured. In short he was/is advising them.”
Some snips from some of his comments:
“It was O’Mara’s advice to settle.”
“But Mark O’Mara apparently was a key decisionmaker. It was his final nod that led Liberty to agree.”
“Then we rec’d confirmation that this was indeed his advice/decision.”
“I do know he was the final approver for the settlement with the Martin family.”
The main point of contention was how could Sundance possibly know this and because there was nothing concrete shown, the people, who already had a gripe with Sundance, took it upon themselves to inundate my blog with hate filled, factually inaccurate, opinionated vitriol pointed at Sundance.
Strangely enough these are all GZ supporters. I was actually worried back in November when I opened the comment sections that it would be Trayvonites I would get hit with, not at all, not hardly but maybe one or two, no, I’m getting hit with everyone on “our” side.
What did I have to say to Sundance saying this? Nothing. Did I run off to someone’s blog and call Sundance an idiot? Nope. But here ya go. I don’t agree with him. At first it seems plausible because of what O’Mara said to the Sentinel and because Crump gave O’Mara a CC of the settlment stuff but that’s all we have, simple as that. I told him I think he jumped the gun and should have approached it differently, I told him that in an email recently.
That’s how you deal with people on your own side when there’s disagreements. If it get’s bad enough I suggest you take the formal approach, open your own fucking blog and bitch about Sundance all you want. What in the hell makes you think I want to hear it? If I want to hear it I’ll look at your blog or I’ll go read Fred Leatherman’s site.
As it stands now you are all free to comment here on my blog, you have been able to since last November but if this continues after this post on future posts that have nothing in it that addresses Sundance or the treehouse I’m shutting down my comment section on all my posts for good but I sure as shit ain’t closing my blog, I have no idea where people got that idea.
There is much more I could address on all of this and if you will please take notice I called no one out specifically in this post, it’s essentially the overall tone with some specifics I’m talking about, so don’t take the shit personally, unless you’re really obviously one then you know who you are. I’ll address people specifically in the comment section of my last post more and this one if I feel up to it. All of this crap essentially saps my interest in the GZ case so don’t expect a highly responsive Dman for a while.
And keep in mind my intent of this post and the examples used are to enlighten and enrich our discussion and for those who don’t get it, well, you never will so I can’t help ya.
Until then, peace out my brothers, sisters and everyone in between.